Who is the little old lady with the hat sitting in dozens of Perry Mason trials?

Here is a deep mystery that even Paul Drake can't solve.

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David Cope of Raleigh, North Carolina, wrote to us and asked a fascinating question. "I love watching Perry Mason every morning and have noticed this past year and a half," he wrote, "There is the same older woman who sits among the courtroom spectators, almost always in the back row."

Indeed! That is her in the image above, sitting in the back row on the defendant's side in "The Case of the Grumbling Grandfather." In that mystery, the Little Old Lady in a Hat (as fans call her) parks next to Frances Rafferty, who plays witness Sue Franks in the trial. 

According to the invaluable fan hub, the Perry Mason TV Show Wiki, the Little Old Lady in a Hat pops up in more than 100 episodes. Here she is in "The Case of the Watery Witness."

Now that you have a good look at her, keep your eyes peeled for this avid legal spectator.

Unfortunately, as far as her identity goes, that remains a mystery! We could use Paul Drake on the case. A thread on the TCM forum also failed to turn up an answer.

She is one of many regulars who populate the Los Angeles courtroom. Don Anderson appears in many episodes — often in multiple roles. There is the uncredited "Pencil Mustache Man." There's Flower Parry, erstwhile wife of Jackie Coogan, not to mention Edwin RochelleMitchell Rhein and William H. O'Brien. We could go on. And, yes, the Little Old Lady remains shrouded in mystery and covered in a hat.

David Cope wondered, "If she was a relative of one of the crew, cast or writers." Others have speculated just that. Keep your eyes peeled for her when you watch.

We like to imagine she is the wife of Mr. Schwamp.

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SER1957 8 days ago
Good morning. I am still convinced that the old lady with the hat is Gail Patrick Jackson.
BevTaff 8 days ago
How can I stream METV on the website.
ThadT 16 days ago
I pulled that picture off the cast and crew off the Perry Mason show
ThadT 16 days ago
Lillian Bronson
Little old lady with the hat
Olivia_Reed ThadT 8 days ago
The little old lady with the hat is older than Lillan Bronson. Look at her eyes. The old lady's eyes are deeper-set and her nose curves downward. Good resemblance, but not Lillian.
Olivia_Reed ThadT 8 days ago
Also, Lillian Bronson had more delicate facial features--not such a broad jaw and chin. She always had mischief in her eyes. Here is a photo of young Lillian:
wcbeav 16 days ago
Along the same lines, there is a woman who works in The Long Branch on Gunsmoke that is on at least 50 of the early black and white episodes, over a number of years. I’ve always figured there was a story as to why she was in so many episodes and prominent is so many shots.
texasluva wcbeav 16 days ago
Could it be Michelle Breeze (1942–2016). She played in 44 episodes on Gunsmoke. I am doing more checking.
GaryHere 16 days ago
Can I get this on Roku?
texasluva GaryHere 16 days ago
All you do is copy and paste into browser. It plays on your computer, tablet, phone and if you have chromecast it will play right to your tv. Also cast media with air play.
Pacificsun GaryHere 16 days ago
For watchers with a Roku enabled Smart TV and just a basic Xfinity account, it is a free instant-on App, which can be shared across other mobile devices. The TV is portable. And obviously offers a bunch of other Apps, some for subscription. I've heard it is compatible with Spectrum as well.
texasluva 16 days ago
Okay since we have a participant that tracked down that movie. Kudos to GaryHere. So as promised you will get to see The Three Faces of Eve. Joanne Woodward one Academy award for her effort. The movie came out in 1957. John Wayne handed the award to her.

The Three Faces of Eve (1957) 1h 31min Drama, Mystery
Joanne Woodward-Eve White / Eve Black / Jane
Lee J. Cobb
David Wayne
Video quality- great.

https://archive.org/details/rog561b_netzero_416/416.mp4
texasluva 16 days ago
Folks we have a winner. GaryHere done laid down the hammer and guessed The Three Faces of Eve. How I do not know. I was going to leave more clues as in :
1. John Wayne handed it to an actor
2. This is a true story
Answer to the actor that played in along running TV series was none other then Lee J. Cobb.
Joanne Woodward won Academy Award for her part.
Nancy Kulp was the one whom played in The Beverly Hillbillies -Twilight Zone and this movie. Also a note. She married Paul Newman in January 1958 and awards were in March 1958. There are videos showing who got awards and who handed them out plus the many hosts. Again good job GaryHere
ELEANOR 16 days ago
We all know who that little old lady is. She's a grandmother who needs to earn a little pin money -- maybe to help her grandchildren and what better way than to play the role of lady in the courtroom gallery in TV drama.
GaryHere 17 days ago
Is the woman in the perry mason shows Sara Taft?
texasluva GaryHere 16 days ago
I was looking at Sara Taft. I am not sure it would be her. I found Eva Pearson but I am not 100% positive. There are a lot of her photo's in the court room and jury area. Also one in Lucy show I put below who resembles those photos.
GaryHere 17 days ago
Three faces of eve
texasluva GaryHere 16 days ago
My next clue would have been....John Wayne handed to her. Also a true story. Wow! You nailed it. Joanne Woodward won an Academy award for best actress. Lee J. Cobb was in The The Virginian. Congrats!
texasluva texasluva 16 days ago
Nancy Kulp played Beverly Hillbillies, Twilight Zone and 3 Faces of Eve.
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